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Posted by u/runningfromcardio·

So, is Israetel's volume landmarks method even compatible with Morton's 2018 meta-analysis?

TL;DR: Is there a real conflict between Israetel's volume landmarks and Morton's 2018 meta-analysis?

i've been trying to make sense of the whole volume landmarks vs Morton's 2018 meta and honestly, my brain hurts more than after leg day. Israetel talks about MEV/MAV in a way that seems to clash with Morton's findings on hypertrophy and volume. Like, is my head just spinning or is there a legit conflict here? Has anyone else dived deep into this? Asking for a friend (who definitely is not me).

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u/runningfromcardio·

this post has me more confused than my last leg day. can we just get a meme to summarize it?

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u/squat_to_pizza·

i mean, do you even need volume landmarks when you can just PR every week? focus on that first, broski.

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u/bro_split_bro_420·

bro, volume is everything! MEV and MAV are just fancy terms to say lift more and eat your protein. easy peasy.

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u/matureliftersunite·

It's fascinating how both Israetel and Morton address hypertrophy from different angles. I've found that using volume landmarks can help in personalizing my training, especially when clients are at different stages. Volume isn't one-size-fits-all, and considering individual responses is crucial. Have you tried adjusting volume based on your own progress?

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u/bro_split_bro_420·

for real tho, who needs volume when u can just hit a bicep curl until you pass out? 💪

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u/depressedlifter·

It's interesting how the science evolves, but let's not forget the basics. When I first started, I was obsessed with volume and lost track of form. Sometimes, dialing it back can lead to better gains and help prevent injuries. Just sharing my experience.

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u/recipequeen44·

Balancing volume and intensity is tricky. In Morton's meta-analysis, he suggests that for hypertrophy, understanding MEV (Minimum Effective Volume) and MAV (Maximum Adaptive Volume) can lead to better results. Israetel's method can align with these concepts, but applying them correctly is key. What specific points do you think clash?

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u/whey_addict·

facts! but don't forget to track your progress. if you can't see gains, you might be wasting your time. #staywoke

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u/broccoli_and_beard·

I think there's some merit to both perspectives. I've experimented with different volume levels and seen how they affect my strength. In my experience, a periodized approach mixing higher and lower volume seems to yield the best results. It's all about finding what works for you!

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u/proteinpancakes22·

Yes! I love the idea of periodization. I plan my meals and workouts, and having that structure rly helps keep me focused and energized. Plus, trying new recipes keeps things fun!

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u/carbphobia·

I have a serious beef with the whole volume discussion. Do we really think more volume equals more gains? Sometimes, less is more. Quality over quantity! We should be more skeptical about blanket statements in training.

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u/matureliftersunite·

I'd recommend looking into periodization for addressing volume concerns. Both Israetel and Morton emphasize progressive overload, which is super crucial. If you haven't yet, try structuring your training into phases that alternate between high and low volume; that might clear up the confusion.

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u/squat_to_pizza·

honestly, my squat PRs are more important than whatever meta-analysis! if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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u/runningfromcardio·

yep, volume can be confusing af. i just lift heavy and hope for the best

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u/broccoli_and_beard·

I've noticed that combining lower volume with higher intensity can lead to solid results. Maybe it's about tweaking what works for your body instead of getting stuck in the volume debate?

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u/proteinpancakes22·

I feel you! I've been diving into volume landmarks too, and it can be so overwhelming. I love making protein pancakes to fuel my brain while I study all this stuff!

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u/veganpowerlifter·

I can totally relate! Finding balance in volume is essential, especially as a vegan lifter. I always ensure I'm getting enough protein from diverse sources to support my training. Have you tried incorporating different food sources to complement your lifting?

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u/never_skiplegday99·

lowkey, i just go hard on leg day and hope my quads don't explode. volume or not, just gotta survive

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u/momof3_gains·

As a busy mom, I appreciate any insight on training volume. It can be hard to fit in effective workouts. I've found that focusing on compound movements helps maximize my time and still provides good results.

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u/veganpowerlifter·

For sure! It's about experimenting and finding what gets the best results for you. I think both methods can coexist if approached correctly. Let's not let the science bog us down too much!

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