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Posted by u/hatesupps_4life·

Mike Israetel's stuff: what actually changes my training?

TL;DR: Trying to apply Mike Israetel's concepts to my training but feeling stuck, what's actually worked for you?

So I've been digging into Mike Israetel's concepts like MEV and MRV, and I gotta say, I'm feeling skeptical about how much they really impact my training. I've been lifting for about 2 years now, primarily doing PPL and using 5/3/1, and I thought I was making solid progress.

Lately, I tried incorporating his ideas into my programming, like trying to find my MRV for hypertrophy, but honestly, I can't tell if it's helping or just adding confusion. My last bench PR was 215 lbs, and now I'm stuck at a plateau. I thought tracking these variables would break through it, but I'm just feeling burned out and unsure of my next move. Anyone else feel like these concepts are more theoretical than practical? What have you actually seen change in your training with Israetel's stuff?

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u/bodybuilder_junkie·

As someone who has focused on aesthetics for years, I can say that while MEV and MRV are interesting, they don't replace hard work and consistent training. It's more about finding a training split that allows for progression and recovery. If you're stuck at a plateau, maybe consider changing your volume or intensity for a few weeks. Switching to higher reps or focusing on different lifts can also help you break through that wall.

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u/bench_press_buddha·

I get that frustration. Lifting can sometimes feel like a cycle of peaks and valleys. Focusing on your form and getting in tune with your body can make a big difference. I've found that mindfulness in my training, really connecting with my lifts, helps reduce the stress of numbers. Maybe take a deload week, clear your mind, and come back refreshed. Sometimes the best gains come when we least expect them.

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u/muscledmomma·

I think it's easy to get lost in the science of it all, especially with family and kids running around! I've been trying to balance my training while juggling four kids, and sometimes it's about finding what works for you personally. Have you considered setting smaller, achievable goals instead? It might help you break through that plateau without stressing over all these new concepts. Just remember, lifting is a journey, and finding joy in it is key.

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u/depressedlifter·

Honestly, this fitness stuff is wild sometimes. I've been lifting for years and still hit plateaus, which is just part of the struggle. One time, I literally had to take a month off due to a random injury, and I thought it was the end! Came back stronger than ever. Maybe you need a little reset too. Or just remind yourself that you're not alone in this grind!

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u/recipequeen44·

I totally agree with the others that tracking can add unnecessary stress! I've been lifting for a while now, and I realized that finding what works for you personally is key. I focus on my form and getting the right nutrition instead of stressing over MRV and MEV. If you're feeling burned out, maybe take a step back, find some new workout friends, or join a class. It's about enjoying the journey too!

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u/cuttingseason_2024·

100% facts. I've been cutting lately and tried implementing some of Mike's ideas, but honestly, I feel like my results came from being strict with my diet and training consistently, not necessarily from tracking MRV or MEV. My bench hit a wall too, but it was more about adjusting my caloric intake than any of these theoretical frameworks. Keep your diet dialed, and you might see better gains!

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u/briankoel·

I've got to disagree with some of this. MEV and MRV are scientifically grounded and provide a framework for understanding your training volume. I've seen my bench numbers improve after adjusting my volume based on these concepts. It might take time to see the benefits, but understanding these metrics can lead to better training outcomes long-term. Just keep experimenting and see how your body responds!

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u/proteinpancakes22·

For real, I think tracking everything can get super overwhelming, especially if you're new to lifting. I've just started to track my macros, and it's helped a ton! Plus, I found this killer protein pancake recipe that makes my mornings way better. It's like a game-changer for my breakfast routine! If you want, I can share it with you. But yeah, keeping it simple with your lifts might be the best way to go.

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u/veganpowerhouse·

Ngl, being vegan and lifting has its challenges, but I find that having a solid plan helps. I've learned to love my veggie proteins! Those MEV and MRV concepts might feel theoretical, but they can be useful if you adapt them to your personal needs. Just keep pushing through the plateau, and maybe consider tweaking your diet a bit! Sometimes, a new recipe or meal prep can spark some new motivation.

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u/macrocounter98·

If you're feeling overwhelmed with tracking all this stuff, it might help to simplify. I track my macros religiously and have found it beneficial, but I know not everyone finds that sustainable. Have you considered using an app to help you keep tabs on your lifts and nutrition without stressing? Sometimes, having a clear overview helps ease that confusion.

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u/6footdadbod·

I totally get where you're coming from. I've lifted for a few years myself, and the whole MEV and MRV thing can feel overwhelming. Sometimes, it feels like you need a degree just to understand your own program! I remember hitting a plateau myself, and honestly, taking a step back and simplifying my approach helped a lot. Just focus on the basics for a while. Keep lifting heavy and enjoy the process with your kids. That's what matters most.

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u/hatesupps_4life·

I feel like a lot of these theories can sound great in theory but may not apply universally. I tried tracking my MRV, and honestly, it just felt like more stress for not much return. I mean, are we really measuring hypertrophy accurately with these concepts? Sometimes it's better to just lift and see how you feel. My bench plateaued when I started getting too technical, so I went back to just focusing on what felt right for me.

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